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		<title>Comment on Tea Parties by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://progressivelibertarian.org/2009/04/01/tea-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many genuine people involved with the tea parties, which were originated by Libertarians, not Republicans or conservatives, or "right-wingers".

The tea party movement may have been hijacked in some ways, but many of the people involved are genuine in their beliefs about low taxes and less government involvement in people's lives.

The tea party movement is a positive one as it advocates for some of the same things Progressive Libertarianism promotes, and should not be judged based on their nutjob minority. Every group has people like that within their ranks and its wrong to lump everyone together like that.

Progressive Libertarianism does not associate with the tea party movement, but I see nothing wrong in giving coverage to another movement that is trying to accomplish some of the same goals we are. We want to always work together with those we agree with when we can. Remember, negativity accomplishes nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many genuine people involved with the tea parties, which were originated by Libertarians, not Republicans or conservatives, or &#8220;right-wingers&#8221;.</p>
<p>The tea party movement may have been hijacked in some ways, but many of the people involved are genuine in their beliefs about low taxes and less government involvement in people&#8217;s lives.</p>
<p>The tea party movement is a positive one as it advocates for some of the same things Progressive Libertarianism promotes, and should not be judged based on their nutjob minority. Every group has people like that within their ranks and its wrong to lump everyone together like that.</p>
<p>Progressive Libertarianism does not associate with the tea party movement, but I see nothing wrong in giving coverage to another movement that is trying to accomplish some of the same goals we are. We want to always work together with those we agree with when we can. Remember, negativity accomplishes nothing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tea Parties by Mark</title>
		<link>http://progressivelibertarian.org/2009/04/01/tea-parties/comment-page-1/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sure fire way to Demotivate the progressive libertarian movement is to associate the words "TEA PARTY" with such a serious agenda.  LET US NOT ACCOCIATE THESE WELL INTENTIONED FOX manipulated WACKOS with our cause.  TEAS PARTIERS ARE EXTREME RIGHT WINGERS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sure fire way to Demotivate the progressive libertarian movement is to associate the words &#8220;TEA PARTY&#8221; with such a serious agenda.  LET US NOT ACCOCIATE THESE WELL INTENTIONED FOX manipulated WACKOS with our cause.  TEAS PARTIERS ARE EXTREME RIGHT WINGERS.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by TwiztedBarbie</title>
		<link>http://progressivelibertarian.org/about/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>TwiztedBarbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel the more I learn about this, I fit it. But I still feel like I don't really know if my personal beliefs fit or not? Do you have any good websites you recommend that might explain Libertarianism? I would love to know more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the more I learn about this, I fit it. But I still feel like I don&#8217;t really know if my personal beliefs fit or not? Do you have any good websites you recommend that might explain Libertarianism? I would love to know more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by JS</title>
		<link>http://progressivelibertarian.org/about/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-184" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Chris Smith&lt;/a&gt; 
Chris,
I agree with your assessment.  Certain planks in the platform will cause libertarians and those that subscribe to the Austrian theory of economics heart burn.  The most disconcerting is "...see the need for a government agency to promote consumer awareness of products and company actions."  The problem has always been that any agency always attempts to expand its purview over time; its the nature of governments.  So any government is ripe for abuse, since its very nature is antithetical to personal freedom.  

Of course in the nascent days of liberty and the enlightenment, thought leaders knew this and attempted to create balance.  The original articles of confederation and constitution reflect this.  But being "progressive", the nation over time has deconstructed the careful balance put in place.

Now the term progressive, is interesting.  It implies that "old" ideas are bad and "new" ideas, ie progress, is always good.  Which of course is nonsense.  But it also promotes the idea that something must always be done; whatever that something is.  I claim that anything that must be done, must be accomplished through individual action.  It is the sum of millions of individual actions that move society and does not promote the coercive power of government.

I would encourage anyone that found this site to NOT wait for the "government agency" to educate them.  Hit mises.org and and www.lp.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-184" rel="nofollow">@Chris Smith</a><br />
Chris,<br />
I agree with your assessment.  Certain planks in the platform will cause libertarians and those that subscribe to the Austrian theory of economics heart burn.  The most disconcerting is &#8220;&#8230;see the need for a government agency to promote consumer awareness of products and company actions.&#8221;  The problem has always been that any agency always attempts to expand its purview over time; its the nature of governments.  So any government is ripe for abuse, since its very nature is antithetical to personal freedom.  </p>
<p>Of course in the nascent days of liberty and the enlightenment, thought leaders knew this and attempted to create balance.  The original articles of confederation and constitution reflect this.  But being &#8220;progressive&#8221;, the nation over time has deconstructed the careful balance put in place.</p>
<p>Now the term progressive, is interesting.  It implies that &#8220;old&#8221; ideas are bad and &#8220;new&#8221; ideas, ie progress, is always good.  Which of course is nonsense.  But it also promotes the idea that something must always be done; whatever that something is.  I claim that anything that must be done, must be accomplished through individual action.  It is the sum of millions of individual actions that move society and does not promote the coercive power of government.</p>
<p>I would encourage anyone that found this site to NOT wait for the &#8220;government agency&#8221; to educate them.  Hit mises.org and and <a href="http://www.lp.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.lp.org</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Platform by GT</title>
		<link>http://progressivelibertarian.org/platform/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>GT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B-

While I agree that law and history are essential to avoiding the mistakes of the past, your arrogance is as dangerous as ignorance.  You don't have to be a constitutional scholar or an expert on the 14th amendment to have a voice about your government....Or did you forget to read that part of law and history?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B-</p>
<p>While I agree that law and history are essential to avoiding the mistakes of the past, your arrogance is as dangerous as ignorance.  You don&#8217;t have to be a constitutional scholar or an expert on the 14th amendment to have a voice about your government&#8230;.Or did you forget to read that part of law and history?</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by GT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have considered myself a Libertarian for quite some time, but always struggled with the "complete hands off approach".  There have to be some measures in place to ensure that "the rules of the game" are followed.  While I generally agree with a huge scaling-back of the federal government,I do believe that many of the ideas presented on this site have merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have considered myself a Libertarian for quite some time, but always struggled with the &#8220;complete hands off approach&#8221;.  There have to be some measures in place to ensure that &#8220;the rules of the game&#8221; are followed.  While I generally agree with a huge scaling-back of the federal government,I do believe that many of the ideas presented on this site have merit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Chris Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians believe in the non-aggression principle, agreeing that they, nor anyone they delegate, will not use force/coercion to achieve political or social goals. Therefore Progressive "Libertarianism" is in direct contradiction with the non-aggression principle and is not libertarian at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians believe in the non-aggression principle, agreeing that they, nor anyone they delegate, will not use force/coercion to achieve political or social goals. Therefore Progressive &#8220;Libertarianism&#8221; is in direct contradiction with the non-aggression principle and is not libertarian at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Platform by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://progressivelibertarian.org/platform/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social Security and Medicare are fine as optional programs if the only people that pay for the them are the people that use them.

Foreign aid to impoverished countries in a controlled manner in small amounts is not a hardline Libertarian policy, however it is good policy when we need to help out a friend, especially a neighbor.

The FDA is non-intrusive when it is made into a consumer awareness agency and less of a regulatory agency. The FDA would only have the power to require companies give full notice to potential customers information about their products.

The hard drug / soft drug policy has been changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Security and Medicare are fine as optional programs if the only people that pay for the them are the people that use them.</p>
<p>Foreign aid to impoverished countries in a controlled manner in small amounts is not a hardline Libertarian policy, however it is good policy when we need to help out a friend, especially a neighbor.</p>
<p>The FDA is non-intrusive when it is made into a consumer awareness agency and less of a regulatory agency. The FDA would only have the power to require companies give full notice to potential customers information about their products.</p>
<p>The hard drug / soft drug policy has been changed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Platform by Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really misleading to relate this philosophy to libertarianism. this is just a hodgepodge of policies whoever wrote this is interested in.

non libertarian policies:

-keeping social security/medicare
-reducing but not ending foreign aid
-FDA
-hard / soft drugs
-etc etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really misleading to relate this philosophy to libertarianism. this is just a hodgepodge of policies whoever wrote this is interested in.</p>
<p>non libertarian policies:</p>
<p>-keeping social security/medicare<br />
-reducing but not ending foreign aid<br />
-FDA<br />
-hard / soft drugs<br />
-etc etc etc</p>
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		<title>Comment on Platform by B</title>
		<link>http://progressivelibertarian.org/platform/comment-page-1/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the positions sound good but it is clear that the author(s) lack detailed knowledge of the Constitution and Organic Law.  Opinions of what to do to fix the situation are exactly what got us into the mess we are in now.  People need to step up to a clear understanding of how the law works, what changes to the Law throughout history were failures and why, and what aspects of the Constitution were destined to fail from the beginning. Once we collectively understand these detailed failures in the law then we can formulate proper corrections to solidify freedom and restrain government to its proper role.  

The issues stated here are just issues not actual Law.  If you base a movement on what should be, based on individual issues, and not law then you are just going to end up with a newly elected body that legislating opinions instead of representing (to re-present).  

We need to first target the 14th amendment of the US constitution to get the ax.  If you don't know what the 14th amendment does right off the top of your head then I have proven my point.  We who are aware are trying get everyone to 'wake up' as an educated man who has sought the truth of how the government tyranny decended upon us, I find that most who are trying to wake people up have not awoken themselves yet because they have not studied the details of Organic Law, Contract Law, and Constitutional Law and targeted the items that need to fixed.

For instance:
The 14th Amendment makes every human being a corporate commercial entity with the registry of their 'birth' and subjects them to government regulation.  The US constitution did not give the government any authority to proactively regulate people it only gave the Government the power to regulate commerce.  We the people mandated that government would be servants to the people and the only way the government could carry out justice against a human being was when there is an accuser who is accepting personal liability for the accusation.  This means that government can ONLY respond to disputes when called into service and given authority by an accuser who becomes liable for the accusation.  The 14th amendment took all that away by making us commercial entities subject to the jurisdiction of government regulation.

Do any of those with opinions about what we should do fix things actually know how the 14th amendment was ratified?  The answer is that it was ratified unlawfully literally at the end of the barrel of a gun (or the end of a hang mans noose if you really know the details).  Does anyone know the case law that was established around the 14th amendment in the 1870s-1890s and all the way up to the present in regards to corporations?  It gave corporations rights!  I could go on and on about this but my goal here is to give you enough info for you to realize THAT FIXING THINGS IS NOT ABOUT YOUR OPINION!  It is about fixing the LAW!  Humble yourself before the collectively body of facts that we call history.  Go through the painstaking efforts to learn the details so that you can truly 'wake up' and let go of your ego.  Your ego is what gets in the way of truly fixing things because you are willing to put up your opinion as the answer to 'fix' this nightmare.  The definition of Enlightment is the letting go of self (aka ego).  If you give in to the search for truth then you will begin to realize how little you actually know and then you can really begin to dig into the massive body of facts that exists in our modern world.  Only after you have gained a clear picture of the terrible mistakes this country as made over its journey through diligent study can you then bring REAL SOLUTIONS that will result in changes to the LAW that clear to the people and binding to the government.  

So while agree with most of the positions laid out I can also see the weakness in the words that are rooted in a well intentioned individual who did not root themselves in law and history.  I do not mean to be negative here my intent is to inspire the efforts needed to bind the tyrants with law.  Without the detailed knowledge of our history and law the tyrants will be able to decieve you into enslaving yourself to their will and tyranny.  This is evident because the whole entire nightmare underway is totally by consent and most do not even realize this because they don't beat them at their own game.  The patriots I know have gone to these depths and now they win EVERY court case ever brought against them ALWAYS without exception.  That is because their is institutionalized criminal activitybut you must know how to present this in a court of law.  Let go of your ego.  Study. Only then can You bring real solutions to this fight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the positions sound good but it is clear that the author(s) lack detailed knowledge of the Constitution and Organic Law.  Opinions of what to do to fix the situation are exactly what got us into the mess we are in now.  People need to step up to a clear understanding of how the law works, what changes to the Law throughout history were failures and why, and what aspects of the Constitution were destined to fail from the beginning. Once we collectively understand these detailed failures in the law then we can formulate proper corrections to solidify freedom and restrain government to its proper role.  </p>
<p>The issues stated here are just issues not actual Law.  If you base a movement on what should be, based on individual issues, and not law then you are just going to end up with a newly elected body that legislating opinions instead of representing (to re-present).  </p>
<p>We need to first target the 14th amendment of the US constitution to get the ax.  If you don&#8217;t know what the 14th amendment does right off the top of your head then I have proven my point.  We who are aware are trying get everyone to &#8216;wake up&#8217; as an educated man who has sought the truth of how the government tyranny decended upon us, I find that most who are trying to wake people up have not awoken themselves yet because they have not studied the details of Organic Law, Contract Law, and Constitutional Law and targeted the items that need to fixed.</p>
<p>For instance:<br />
The 14th Amendment makes every human being a corporate commercial entity with the registry of their &#8216;birth&#8217; and subjects them to government regulation.  The US constitution did not give the government any authority to proactively regulate people it only gave the Government the power to regulate commerce.  We the people mandated that government would be servants to the people and the only way the government could carry out justice against a human being was when there is an accuser who is accepting personal liability for the accusation.  This means that government can ONLY respond to disputes when called into service and given authority by an accuser who becomes liable for the accusation.  The 14th amendment took all that away by making us commercial entities subject to the jurisdiction of government regulation.</p>
<p>Do any of those with opinions about what we should do fix things actually know how the 14th amendment was ratified?  The answer is that it was ratified unlawfully literally at the end of the barrel of a gun (or the end of a hang mans noose if you really know the details).  Does anyone know the case law that was established around the 14th amendment in the 1870s-1890s and all the way up to the present in regards to corporations?  It gave corporations rights!  I could go on and on about this but my goal here is to give you enough info for you to realize THAT FIXING THINGS IS NOT ABOUT YOUR OPINION!  It is about fixing the LAW!  Humble yourself before the collectively body of facts that we call history.  Go through the painstaking efforts to learn the details so that you can truly &#8216;wake up&#8217; and let go of your ego.  Your ego is what gets in the way of truly fixing things because you are willing to put up your opinion as the answer to &#8216;fix&#8217; this nightmare.  The definition of Enlightment is the letting go of self (aka ego).  If you give in to the search for truth then you will begin to realize how little you actually know and then you can really begin to dig into the massive body of facts that exists in our modern world.  Only after you have gained a clear picture of the terrible mistakes this country as made over its journey through diligent study can you then bring REAL SOLUTIONS that will result in changes to the LAW that clear to the people and binding to the government.  </p>
<p>So while agree with most of the positions laid out I can also see the weakness in the words that are rooted in a well intentioned individual who did not root themselves in law and history.  I do not mean to be negative here my intent is to inspire the efforts needed to bind the tyrants with law.  Without the detailed knowledge of our history and law the tyrants will be able to decieve you into enslaving yourself to their will and tyranny.  This is evident because the whole entire nightmare underway is totally by consent and most do not even realize this because they don&#8217;t beat them at their own game.  The patriots I know have gone to these depths and now they win EVERY court case ever brought against them ALWAYS without exception.  That is because their is institutionalized criminal activitybut you must know how to present this in a court of law.  Let go of your ego.  Study. Only then can You bring real solutions to this fight!</p>
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